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Re: The World Cup Controversy thread (renamed)

Post #61by t00fri » 03.07.2010, 21:01

Chris wrote:I think the South Americans on the forum should be gloating here... Uruguay, Paraguay, Brazil, Argentina, and Chile are all in the Round of 16.

--Chris

That has changed dramatically as of today. After a somewhat tedious game (Spain <=> Paraquay) only Uruquay is left over from Latin America. The remaining three teams for the semi-finals are from central Europe:

Holland, Germany and Spain!

In the semi-final on Wednesday, Germany will play against Spain. Let's see...What we have seen today was not too frightening, though...

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Post #62by Fenerit » 03.07.2010, 21:57

Yet another decisive penalty wrong! It's incredible how very important chances for such teams (Ghana and Paraguay) gone lost. Deutschland seem really ?beralles. Spain have trouble to make goals; too much passes. Uruguay-Holland indeed is interesting.

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Post #63by TERRIER » 04.07.2010, 09:31

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Here we see a face of dejection as the used car salesman fails yet again to sell the rusty old banger......

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....while here we see the happy would-be customer who shopped elsewhere!

Two questions soon to be answered.....

Despite Germany having to play the European Champions, there's no doubt they are playing much better than Spain, so will we be seeing a Germany v Netherlands final?....

...and will Miroslav Klose be the first person in history to own a pair of Golden World Cup Boots?
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Post #64by TERRIER » 04.07.2010, 10:18

Chuft-Captain wrote:Not to mention thanking their own player who incurred the penalty in the first place by handling the ball on the goal-line, thus preventing a sure goal which would have won it for Ghana goal with 30 secs to go....
....I think that when a cynical handling of the ball on the goal line prevents a goal (where the goal was otherwise certain to be scored), the referee should have discretion to award a "penalty goal" instead of a penalty.

I don't want to condone the Uruguayan defender, but I'm sure there would be very few players in the world who would not have done the same. This sport seems to encourage cheating (i can think of too many examples to mention in this World Cup alone) and it seems to be an outfield players right to become a temporary goalkeeper, in the interests of preventing a goal. I guess we should be thankful they introduced the automatic sending off rule for deliberate handball on the goaline as well as awarding the penalty. I doubt they'll ever award penalty goals. :(

Chuft-Captain wrote:It's not a good look seeing a game won as a result of cheating, and then the culprit being carried off as a hero on the shoulders of his team-mates. :evil:

That stinks, perhaps the Hand of God has changed allegience from Argentina to Uruguay?
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Post #65by t00fri » 04.07.2010, 10:25

TERRIER wrote:
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....while here we see the happy would-be customer who shopped elsewhere!

Amazing photo. I had not seen it before. It clearly demonstrates once more that Germany is a "football nation"! ;-) Actually with 38 degrees centigrade, in Berlin, 350 000 people gathered for public viewing during the game Argentina-Germany...
Two questions soon to be answered.....

Despite Germany having to play the European Champions, there's no doubt they are playing much better than Spain, so will we be seeing a Germany v Netherlands final?....

...and will Miroslav Klose be the first person in history to own a pair of Golden World Cup Boots?
My guess is also Holland - Germany for the final.

Miro Klose must feel very well now. During the past year, he was heavily critisized (no goals), while the national coach Jogi Loew always believed in his great abilities. Altogether in the 2002, 2006 and 2010 WorldCups he has shot 14 goals (!). In the WC 2010 he shot already 4 goals. Unfortunately, the 20 year old shooting star Mueller will have to pause for the semi-final , due to 2 yellow cards. The second one came yesterday, because of claimed hand playing...hm

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Post #66by TERRIER » 04.07.2010, 20:43

t00fri wrote:Amazing photo. I had not seen it before. It clearly demonstrates once more that Germany is a "football nation"!

Miro Klose must feel very well now. During the past year, he was heavily critisized (no goals), while the national coach Jogi Loew always believed in his great abilities. Altogether in the 2002, 2006 and 2010 WorldCups he has shot 14 goals (!). In the WC 2010 he shot already 4 goals. Unfortunately, the 20 year old shooting star Mueller will have to pause for the semi-final , due to 2 yellow cards. The second one came yesterday, because of claimed hand playing...hm

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During our live TV coverage of the game, the camera cut to the increasingly excited Merkel everytime Germany scored - I can't imagine how she would have reacted if goals 5,6 or 7 would have gone in - and what will she do if Germany wins the World Cup? :)

I think what has happened to Klose in this World Cup proves that great team play has outdone great individual skills.......up to now!

Thomas Mueller has been the player of the tournament for me so far....closely followed by Schweinsteiger and Ozil. He will certainly be missed against Spain. Another fear I have for Germany is David Villa, who seems to score from every chance he gets. So far Spain have not played too well, and his chances have been kept to a minimum - but he still leads the scoring charts with 5.

Villa may yet pip Klose for the Golden Boot - both teams will still play 2 matches from here-on, irrespective of who wins or loses in the semi-final, but if Klose can score 1 more goal, then he will equal Ronaldo's record of 15 goals in World Cup Finals...a record I bet he thought was only a dream while he was sat on the bench during the Champions League Final.
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Post #67by t00fri » 04.07.2010, 20:47

Villa shot 5 WC goals. Klose did 4.....

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Post #68by Chuft-Captain » 05.07.2010, 05:36

t00fri wrote:Amazing photo. I had not seen it before. It clearly demonstrates once more that Germany is a "football nation"!
Not really... IMHO all it demonstrates is yet another politician trying to grab the attention and earn future "feel good" votes by association with a winning team. Call me a cynic, but I also can't help but wonder who it was who ensured that the TV camera's could capture all the action by making sure that there was no-one in front of her. 8)
(They're all doing it...even our Prime Minister was there when we met Italy, making sure he got some camera time. :roll: )


Whoever this is, she doesn't seem too impressed by Merkel's antics.
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Post #69by Fenerit » 05.07.2010, 21:55

TERRIER wrote:
Chuft-Captain wrote:Not to mention thanking their own player who incurred the penalty in the first place by handling the ball on the goal-line, thus preventing a sure goal which would have won it for Ghana goal with 30 secs to go....
....I think that when a cynical handling of the ball on the goal line prevents a goal (where the goal was otherwise certain to be scored), the referee should have discretion to award a "penalty goal" instead of a penalty.

I don't want to condone the Uruguayan defender, but I'm sure there would be very few players in the world who would not have done the same. This sport seems to encourage cheating (i can think of too many examples to mention in this World Cup alone) and it seems to be an outfield players right to become a temporary goalkeeper, in the interests of preventing a goal. I guess we should be thankful they introduced the automatic sending off rule for deliberate handball on the goaline as well as awarding the penalty. I doubt they'll ever award penalty goals. :(

One can see a good handling also by an outfield player, and this is spectacular. Then he is expelled out and missing for the next match.

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Post #70by Fenerit » 05.07.2010, 23:03

Chuft-Captain wrote:Not really... IMHO all it demonstrates is yet another politician trying to grab the attention and earn future "feel good" votes by association with a winning team. Call me a cynic, but I also can't help but wonder who it was who ensured that the TV camera's could capture all the action by making sure that there was no-one in front of her. 8)
(They're all doing it...even our Prime Minister was there when we met Italy, making sure he got some camera time. :roll: )

Fortunately Italy is out, then. :wink: Because if Germany Prime Minister "...it was who ensured that the TV camera's could capture all the action by making sure that there was no-one in front of her. 8) ", the italian President of the Council of the Ministers (not the Prime Minister) really hold TV networks, private and public (conflict of interests).
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Post #71by Chuft-Captain » 05.07.2010, 23:39

Fenerit wrote:... the italian President of the Council of the Ministers (not the Prime Minister) really hold TV networks, private and public (conflict of interests).
... and also has the monopoly on the Modeling Agencies. :mrgreen:
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Post #72by Fenerit » 06.07.2010, 00:00

Chuft-Captain wrote:
Fenerit wrote:... the italian President of the Council of the Ministers (not the Prime Minister) really hold TV networks, private and public (conflict of interests).
... whilst the Prime Minister has the monopoly on the Modeling Agencies. :mrgreen:

Ahem... Just a bit of assessment here or the stuffs are quite a while confused (for me and for my comprehension). If for "Modeling Agencies" you mean "escorts", then the italian President of the Council of the Ministers is the same of your quoting him as "the Prime Minister"; but technically he isn't a Prime Minister since he doesn't has the power to split the Chambers of Deputies. Instead, if you knew that, then it was my fault in understanding your irony, so never mind.
Nonetheless, your reply will clarify my mind. :D
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Post #73by Chuft-Captain » 06.07.2010, 00:33

Fenerit wrote: If for "Modeling Agencies" you mean "escorts", then the italian President of the Council of the Ministers is the same of your quoting him as "the Prime Minister"; but technically he isn't a Prime Minister since he doesn't has the power to split the Chambers of Deputies. Instead, if you knew that, then it was my fault in understanding your irony, so never mind.
Nonetheless, your reply will clarify my mind. :D
Aha, the different terminology confused me, but your clarification convinces me that we are both speaking of the same "fine fellow"... a certain Mr. B :lol: (... updated previous post)
I know very little of the technicalities of Italian politics, as our media generally seems to prefer to report on only the more salacious details, typical of trends in the media worldwide.
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Post #74by Fenerit » 06.07.2010, 10:43

Chuft-Captain wrote:
Fenerit wrote: If for "Modeling Agencies" you mean "escorts", then the italian President of the Council of the Ministers is the same of your quoting him as "the Prime Minister"; but technically he isn't a Prime Minister since he doesn't has the power to split the Chambers of Deputies. Instead, if you knew that, then it was my fault in understanding your irony, so never mind.
Nonetheless, your reply will clarify my mind. :D
Aha, the different terminology confused me, but your clarification convinces me that we are both speaking of the same "fine fellow"... a certain Mr. B :lol: (... updated previous post)
I know very little of the technicalities of Italian politics, as our media generally seems to prefer to report on only the more salacious details, typical of trends in the media worldwide.

Well, I was aware that you believe were two different persons, :) and for that my assessment. :wink:
Usually he is referred as Prime Minister because its TV networks have been forced to call him "premier" which is the contraction of "Prime Minister" by himself, and this make confusion, even for the foreign media. Hence, note how for a politician to posses TV networks/press agencies can manipulate the reality. As for the political details:

- Nobody elect him directly as Prime Minister but people elect the Parliament;
- The Parliament vote to "propose" its candidate (without the approval of the oppositions, of course);
- The candidate prepare the Council of the Ministers;
- The Executive is addressed to the President of the Rupublic which "control" the right things and then grant the men of their functions (the President of the Council cannot sovrimpose its will above the President of Republic);
- The Parliament can discourage the action of the Executive and to call for the President of Republic in revoking their functions;
- The President of the Republic split the Parliament and proclaim new elections (of the Parliament, not of the Executive)
- Repeat the steps. Thats it.

Therefore, there are some points for which Mr. B. cannot be equipared to a Prime Minister.
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Post #75by TERRIER » 06.07.2010, 13:08

Meanwhile in Oberhausen some more World Cup Controversy...

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....?Paul que el pulpo ha hablado!....?Victoria para Espa?a!

Looks like someone used the wrong flag to mop up the shrimp cocktail CC !
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Post #76by Fenerit » 06.07.2010, 13:24

I wonder about its motivations, which surely cannot be football claimed.
- the food: it is the same?
- the flags' colors which seem like undersea rocks stratigraphy?
- is the same whether a container's flags is more or less close to the octopus?
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Post #77by TERRIER » 06.07.2010, 14:28

Fenerit wrote:I wonder about its motivations, which surely cannot be football claimed.
- the food: it is the same?
- the flags' colors which seem like undersea rocks stratigraphy?
- is the same whether a container's flags is more or less close to the octopus?
:?:

As far as I know, Paul the Octopus originally came from the UK. He's correctly 'predicted' all 5 of Germany's results at the World Cup so far, including their loss to Serbia, and the victory over England, so national bias cannot be blamed here!

Yes, the food is the same - there is one mussel placed in each identical sized container for Paul to decide which to eat.

The stratification of the flags may not be an issue when you consider he's looked at the flag of St George and also the Australian flag!

I've actually seen this on TV (my pic was a screegrab from Sky Sports News) and he moved across from the German side to the Spannish side before he lifted the lid for the food! So proximity to a particular container is also not an issue.
(You can watch his England match prediction here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/10420131.stm )

Apparantly he had a good success rate during the 2008 European Championships - but the last German result he got wrong was predicting they'd beat Spain in the final....

....therefore my conclusion is that he has a good memory, and knows that Spain are the better team :wink:
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Post #78by Chuft-Captain » 06.07.2010, 16:25

TERRIER wrote:Apparantly he had a good success rate during the 2008 European Championships - but the last German result he got wrong was predicting they'd beat Spain in the final....

....therefore my conclusion is that he has a good memory, and knows that Spain are the better team :wink:
Ha ha, FOTFL. (Nearly spilled my coffee! :D ) Go Spain!! :mrgreen:
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Post #79by t00fri » 06.07.2010, 16:50

so I see you guys found another reason why Germany is not going to win this time?? ;-)

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Post #80by Chuft-Captain » 06.07.2010, 17:39

Hey, you were happy enough to "go with the octopus" when he was picking your team! :wink"
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