Greetings Forum...
I just wanna to ask...
If we assume that a certain star has a mass of: M and there is a certain planet orbiting it at X A.U. or km, and has a mass of: m.
How can we calculate it's orbit period (the time the planet need to complete it's circling the parent star) ????
and How can we calculate it's rotation period??? and how to calculate the length of days of this planet, for i had read that rotation period is not same for length of day....
If you can please show me the formula needed to calculate the orbit and rotation period... and if you can please show me the link where i can leran more about this topic...
sorry for my bad english... for your all help i give my humble gratitude...
How to calculate the orbit and rotation period???
Re: How to calculate the orbit and rotation period???
thank you mr. selden. i try to read the wikibooks.
hmm... i wonder if there is a program that can calculate the orbital and rotation period of certain planet with a certain mass...
hmm... i wonder if there is a program that can calculate the orbital and rotation period of certain planet with a certain mass...
Re: How to calculate the orbit and rotation period???
i had read the wikibooks....
but i can't fuigure it out...
i not so good at physic...
maybe a simple formula of calculating orbital (revolutional) period and rotation period of planet with X mass orbiting a star with X mass with semimajor axis X km...
but i can't fuigure it out...
i not so good at physic...
maybe a simple formula of calculating orbital (revolutional) period and rotation period of planet with X mass orbiting a star with X mass with semimajor axis X km...
Re: How to calculate the orbit and rotation period???
Andirius,
Unfortunately, to be able to calculate orbital parameters you have to understand algebra, and to calculate where planets are in their orbits, you have to understand calculus and, too often, the horror known as elliptical integrals.
You might take a look at the Web page http://www.lepp.cornell.edu/~seb/celest ... eters.html
It might help a little.
Unfortunately, to be able to calculate orbital parameters you have to understand algebra, and to calculate where planets are in their orbits, you have to understand calculus and, too often, the horror known as elliptical integrals.
You might take a look at the Web page http://www.lepp.cornell.edu/~seb/celest ... eters.html
It might help a little.
Selden
Re: How to calculate the orbit and rotation period???
There's no formula for rotation period, as this is set by the planet's formation and evolutionary history. (Tidal forces will eventually synchronise the rotation period so that rotation period = orbital period, but this is only usually relevant for very closein planets on nearcircular orbits)
Orbital period: [tex]P=\sqrt{\frac{4 \pi^2 r^3}{GM}}[/tex]
Where P is the period, r is the semimajor axis, M is the mass of the star and G is the gravitational constant.
Learn to use Google calculator, which has constants like the mass of the Sun (m_sun) and the gravitational constant (G) builtin, and will handle the units for you.
Orbital period: [tex]P=\sqrt{\frac{4 \pi^2 r^3}{GM}}[/tex]
Where P is the period, r is the semimajor axis, M is the mass of the star and G is the gravitational constant.
Learn to use Google calculator, which has constants like the mass of the Sun (m_sun) and the gravitational constant (G) builtin, and will handle the units for you.
Re: How to calculate the orbit and rotation period???
Length of solar day = Length of sidereal day * (1 + 1 / ((length of year/length of sidereal day)  1))
NOTE: Make sure the time units are all the same
NOTE: Make sure the time units are all the same
Re: How to calculate the orbit and rotation period???
That works if the planet is prograde...bdm wrote:Length of solar day = Length of sidereal day * (1 + 1 / ((length of year/length of sidereal day)  1))
NOTE: Make sure the time units are all the same
If the rotation is retrograde the expression becomes
Length of solar day = Length of sidereal day * (1  1 / ((length of year/length of sidereal day) + 1))
Re: How to calculate the orbit and rotation period???
thanks
there some more question pop out in my tiny brain...
if we ignoring all the tidal forces is there a way to calculate the rotation period??? or we just make up the number?
and why giant gas planet tend to rotate faster than rocky ones??? is it connected to inertia???
and what make a planet rotate backward (retrograde)??? tidal forces or because a thick atmosphere like Venus???
and maybe someone will answer my question about atmosphere in another post.
I'm asking all this question to make a "realistic" or at least semi realistic solar system settings for my story... it's not as easy as i think before ... need more study...
i hope that i don't make you guys irritated with all my question, I'm just confused because my lack of science...
there some more question pop out in my tiny brain...
if we ignoring all the tidal forces is there a way to calculate the rotation period??? or we just make up the number?
and why giant gas planet tend to rotate faster than rocky ones??? is it connected to inertia???
and what make a planet rotate backward (retrograde)??? tidal forces or because a thick atmosphere like Venus???
and maybe someone will answer my question about atmosphere in another post.
I'm asking all this question to make a "realistic" or at least semi realistic solar system settings for my story... it's not as easy as i think before ... need more study...
i hope that i don't make you guys irritated with all my question, I'm just confused because my lack of science...

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Re: How to calculate the orbit and rotation period???
Hi i hope the folowing helps
OrbitalRadius (AU) CUBED = OrbitalPeriod (Earth Years) SQUARED / Mass (solar units)
you can re arrange this to calculate the other perameters
this is only true for orbits around Stellar mass objects, for planitary orbits you need to go the whole hog and work out everything
OrbitalRadius (AU) CUBED = OrbitalPeriod (Earth Years) SQUARED / Mass (solar units)
you can re arrange this to calculate the other perameters
this is only true for orbits around Stellar mass objects, for planitary orbits you need to go the whole hog and work out everything
Khan
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Its Very Cold in Space
Do you know the Klingon proverb that tells us revenge is a dish that is best served cold?
Its Very Cold in Space
Re: How to calculate the orbit and rotation period???
If there are no noticable tidal forces, then the rotation period is determined by the rotational speed of the original protoplanetary nebula as it condensed into the planetary body. We have no way to know the rotational speed of the original nebula.Andirius wrote:thanks
there some more question pop out in my tiny brain...
if we ignoring all the tidal forces is there a way to calculate the rotation period??? or we just make up the number?
Planets that had more material condense into them are likely to rotate faster, like Jupiter and Saturn.and why giant gas planet tend to rotate faster than rocky ones??? is it connected to inertia???
Probably a collision with another body when the solar system was young.and what make a planet rotate backward (retrograde)???
both of those are very unlikely. The Sun's tidal forces on Venus are relatively small. There's not that much mass in its atmosphere.tidal forces or because a thick atmosphere like Venus???
The best way to cure the lack of knowledge is to read books about the topics you need to know.and maybe someone will answer my question about atmosphere in another post.
I'm asking all this question to make a "realistic" or at least semi realistic solar system settings for my story... it's not as easy as i think before ... need more study...
i hope that i don't make you guys irritated with all my question, I'm just confused because my lack of science...
Selden
Re: How to calculate the orbit and rotation period???
Thing is, the oceans on Earth seem to have effects on the tidal evolution of the EarthMoon system, and they have low mass in comparison to the rest of the planet. In some sense, the Venusian atmosphere is an ocean (if you want to call supercritical carbon dioxide an ocean), and judging from this abstract, dense Venusstyle atmospheres CAN have an effect on the rotational evolution of a planet... (according to this article (pdf), the dense atmosphere actually makes the 1:1 spin orbit resonance unstable)selden wrote:both of those are very unlikely. The Sun's tidal forces on Venus are relatively small. There's not that much mass in its atmosphere.Andrius wrote:tidal forces or because a thick atmosphere like Venus???
Re: How to calculate the orbit and rotation period???
thanks to mr. selden and mr. ajtribick
well it seems that i really need to read more books... but in my country (Indonesia to more be more specific) there are not so much book about astrophysics, most of them is about "how to become rich fast" books and love novel so i had a shortage on physic books...
i really don't know how to find the material i searching and the search engine is not helping either... wikipedia although informative lack coherency (what do we expect from collective writings from multiple authors???) and sometime confusing (lack of citation)...
where can i find the relevant information i need??? (don't bother wikibooks, i can't understand a single things, believe me i have tried and i totally lost finding the pages [most of them don't had link*red*]...)
thank you for your attention
best regards...
well it seems that i really need to read more books... but in my country (Indonesia to more be more specific) there are not so much book about astrophysics, most of them is about "how to become rich fast" books and love novel so i had a shortage on physic books...
i really don't know how to find the material i searching and the search engine is not helping either... wikipedia although informative lack coherency (what do we expect from collective writings from multiple authors???) and sometime confusing (lack of citation)...
where can i find the relevant information i need??? (don't bother wikibooks, i can't understand a single things, believe me i have tried and i totally lost finding the pages [most of them don't had link*red*]...)
thank you for your attention
best regards...
Re: How to calculate the orbit and rotation period???
Andirius wrote:thanks to mr. selden and mr. ajtribick
well it seems that i really need to read more books... but in my country (Indonesia to more be more specific) there are not so much book about astrophysics, most of them is about "how to become rich fast" books and love novel so i had a shortage on physic books...
i really don't know how to find the material i searching and the search engine is not helping either... wikipedia although informative lack coherency (what do we expect from collective writings from multiple authors???) and sometime confusing (lack of citation)...
where can i find the relevant information i need??? (don't bother wikibooks, i can't understand a single things, believe me i have tried and i totally lost finding the pages [most of them don't had link*red*]...)
thank you for your attention
best regards...
Maybe you could look at libraries for physics books and look for books to buy online.

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Re: How to calculate the orbit and rotation period???
Calculate the orbital period of a spacecraft around the moon
1. During an Apollo lunar landing mission, the command module continued to orbit the Moon at an altitude of 100km. How long did it take to go around the Moon once?
2. T= 2(pi)(r^3/2) / root (GM)
mass of moon = 7.35 X 10^22
radius of moon= 1.74 X 10^6
3. I think that is the correct equation, and I've tried plugging all the values in. I know that the radius will have the 100km (100,000m) added on to it...right?
1. During an Apollo lunar landing mission, the command module continued to orbit the Moon at an altitude of 100km. How long did it take to go around the Moon once?
2. T= 2(pi)(r^3/2) / root (GM)
mass of moon = 7.35 X 10^22
radius of moon= 1.74 X 10^6
3. I think that is the correct equation, and I've tried plugging all the values in. I know that the radius will have the 100km (100,000m) added on to it...right?
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