New Celestia 1.7.0 icon vote

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What will set a new icon?

Poll ended at 10.11.2016, 09:42

celestia1.ico
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celestia2.ico
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celestia3.ico
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celestia4.ico
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New Celestia 1.7.0 icon vote

Post #1by Alexell » 27.10.2016, 09:42

In developing the new version of Celestia, after such a long break, I think we need to change the icon of the program thus revive its appearance.
Below are the icons for the Celestia maded by Russian Celestia Team (in this forum Alex_Berg).

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Post #2by Goofy » 28.10.2016, 07:35

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Post #3by FarGetaNik » 28.10.2016, 07:50

Difficult decision. I made a Celestia icon myself based on the previous one, but with the black sky being transparent. Icons 2,3 and 5 are suitable for that, but I went with one because it best describes what Celestia is for me :smile:

But how about using better textures for these icons? Some of the Celestia defauts aren't pretty.

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Post #4by Fenerit » 28.10.2016, 12:10

Squared icons looks bad when sized small, say, 16x16px up to 24x24px, imho. Expecially those not stylized and with complex phototextures in it. Small icons looks best if made through 3D programs. Moreover they are a bit Stellarium-like. Note that Saturn's ring viewed from top looks like the "C" of Celestia, being partially "erased" by the planet's shadows, and the icon background can be made transparent. :cyclop:
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Post #5by FarGetaNik » 29.10.2016, 08:31

Fenerit wrote:Note that Saturn's ring viewed from top looks like the "C" of Celestia, being partially "erased" by the planet's shadows, and the icon background can be made transparent. :cyclop:

That's a great idea. If I find time, I'll try to create such an icon :wink:

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Post #6by Fenerit » 29.10.2016, 09:03

Well... :smoke: do take a look at my now outdated site (I've lost all the HD local web page files within a crash and I do not have the time to re-make/re-load all. Link are working, though). Saturn or whatelse could be shown also by side; I do not think even the icon must be scientifically accurate... :biggrin:
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Post #7by FarGetaNik » 29.10.2016, 09:29

Ok here's my take:

Celestia-stylizedC.png


I used real RGBA data for the rings instead of just making the backround tranparent :smoke: I imagined a more prolate C, your C is oblate. Any suggestions?
Fenerit wrote:I do not think even the icon must be scientifically accurate...
Uhm... oops :toothless:

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I decided I'll just take a perfectly perpendicular view (circular rings). Here is my icon:

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Post #8by Fenerit » 29.10.2016, 11:22

You are too fast for me! Still I'm not testing your new sketch! Below is my work upon your big png.

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Note that it is made quickly, the ring's cut away is approximate, has been made with lazo, you can do better cut. The planet is double with the original colors, while the ring is opacized with levols tools. A bit of yellow external brightness has been applied on the ring, just to enhance the blurring when the icon is then resized small. 16-24-32-48-64-128-256px view. Xp 32 icon, I don't know how Vista and up does manage such a thing.

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Post #9by FarGetaNik » 29.10.2016, 17:02

Fenerit wrote:You are too fast for me! Still I'm not testing your new sketch! Below is my work upon your big png.

Sorry I thought I should use my freetime when I'm into it anyways :wink:

Your approach looks certainly more like a "C" because of the tranparent shadow, I went with the "scientific accurate" icon :biggrin: which still looks enough like a "C" in my opinion.

Fenerit wrote:16-24-32-48-64-128-256px view. Xp 32 icon, I don't know how Vista and up does manage such a thing.

Some years ago I searched online for icons for different applications and the ones I found used 16, 24, 32, 48, 96, 128, 256 pixel thumbnails, I just went with that. It worked fine for me on Windows 7, 8 and 10. No idea what other systems or applications reqiure.

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Post #10by Alexell » 29.10.2016, 19:29

Fenerit, I like this idea. But you propose to use your "C" icon on a transparent background? Or maybe you will make a nice frame for it? For example see my icons.

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Your icon is on a transparent background is not very good looking. :sad:
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Post #11by FarGetaNik » 30.10.2016, 09:31

Alexell wrote:Your icon is on a transparent background is not very good looking. :sad:

So what exactly don't you like? Have you tried my version? It's great for darker backgrounds, I havn't tried it on blue...

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Post #12by Alexell » 30.10.2016, 12:39

FarGetaNik, in Fenerit's icon visible jagged cut rings, it is ugly. Your icon is in my opinion better.
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But the right side of the rings must be removed. And probably have to do a stellar frame with rounded edges.
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Post #13by Fenerit » 30.10.2016, 16:07

Alexell wrote:Fenerit, I like this idea. But you propose to use your "C" icon on a transparent background? Or maybe you will make a nice frame for it? For example see my icons.

Not my icon - which is just a quick sketch made bad - but yes, its transparent background's "concept". Democratically, of course I will leave at the voters' decision on your design only. I cannot make the icon because I work just on Xp, therefore I can't test how it looks on the latest OSes and how they does manage the depth of the transparency.

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I like your icon FarGetaNik, but I will prefer the converse for the ring: darker the large surface to reinforce the "C" and fainter the shadow, maybe filled with a spacecraft.
Alexell: the framed icons have the weird, "cognitive", feature to looks outdated when the OSes does change the global ambient design, while the transparent ones not, imho.
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Post #14by FarGetaNik » 30.10.2016, 18:07

Alexell wrote:But the right side of the rings must be removed. And probably have to do a stellar frame with rounded edges.

Ok if you prefer the ring shadow to be transparent, I'm fine with that.

But I don't like the frames so much, I created my icon so I have a symbol of meaningful shape displayed by transparency, if that makes any sence. But that's my opinion, If you frame it that removes the reason I made the icon and we are back to your suggestions to vote for.

Fenerit wrote:I like your icon FarGetaNik, but I will prefer the converse for the ring: darker the large surface to reinforce the "C" and fainter the shadow, maybe filled with a spacecraft.

I'm not sure if I understood correctly, but I manipulated the image a bit, I matched the ring color to the font color of the splash image that pops up at startup and removed the ring shadow, it's lighter now. A spacecraft might put to much detail in such a small image and make it harder to recognice the "C".

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I also got the idea to design a new splash image for Celestia matching the icon, here is my take:

Celestia-Splash-1024px.png


I used the font "Constania", which is my favourite for headers. But I can easily change that if someone knows one that's better suitable. And since this image is not really a Celestia screenshot anymore, I might remove the shadow again if it looks better...

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Post #15by Alexell » 31.10.2016, 06:00

Fenerit wrote:the framed icons have the weird, "cognitive", feature to looks outdated when the OSes does change the global ambient design, while the transparent ones not, imho.
If you do not like the framed icons, then make a normal icon with a transparent background. It must be nice, smooth and perfect look, if it is imposed on the black, gray, white, blue, dark blue, red and other colored backgrounds. And it should look good on all of these embodiments the background in different sizes: 256x, 64x and 32x. Most importantly - 32x32.

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FarGetaNik, Your icon in the amount of 256 looks good, but to impose it, I did not try. Above I have listed the background color, you need to check. The standard rate of 32 icon does not look good, and look unlikely to be normal, because it is not in harmony with some colors.

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Icon with my frame:
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But 32x32 looks I think is not very good.

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FarGetaNik, That splash with your option icons and inscriptions:
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This idea Voyager and nebulae overlay invented Cham (if I remember correctly). His original version:
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This my new splash version:
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Post #16by FarGetaNik » 31.10.2016, 07:56

Alexell wrote:If you do not like the framed icons, then make a normal icon with a transparent background. It must be nice, smooth and perfect look, if it is imposed on the black, gray, white, blue, dark blue, red and other colored backgrounds. And it should look good on all of these embodiments the background in different sizes: 256x, 64x and 32x. Most importantly - 32x32

Isn't it kind of hard to chose a color which is in contrast with all these colors? I understand your reasoning now for framing it, but as I said, it defeats the purpose of this icon. And if your trough it on a background filled with stars, at least use the version with the shadowed rings being black to occult the stars.
I haven't thought about the background color, does an icon even save it? But it's no problem to change it. Looking at other icons on my desktop maybe a solution is to further stylize the icon and enhance the "C" with a narrow black outline.

I like the splash images, I intended a transparent background, but a frame is more appropriate there. It would be great if someone could provide the transparent "Celestia" writing on the original splash image so I could use it on my version without artifacts.

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Post #17by Fenerit » 31.10.2016, 10:32

Can the 32x32px icon maybe looks better with the ring's shaded color like the main Celestia's HUD color? :think:
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Post #18by Alexell » 31.10.2016, 10:47

FarGetaNik wrote:Looking at other icons on my desktop maybe a solution is to further stylize the icon and enhance the "C" with a narrow black outline.
Maybe :wink:

FarGetaNik wrote:It would be great if someone could provide the transparent "Celestia" writing on the original splash image so I could use it on my version without artifacts.
You mean this sign?
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Post #19by FarGetaNik » 01.11.2016, 13:43

I hope everything's ok with the forum, I couldn't access it yesterday. But that's probably a topic for another thread...

Fenerit wrote:Can the 32x32px icon maybe looks better with the ring's shaded color like the main Celestia's HUD color? :think:

You mean that pale blue?
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Alexell wrote:FarGetaNik wrote:
Looking at other icons on my desktop maybe a solution is to further stylize the icon and enhance the "C" with a narrow black outline.

Maybe :wink:

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Alexell wrote:You mean this sign?

Exactly :smile: Is that avaliable in higher resolution? I had to upscale it, which is never good when designing a logo. The writing on the splash image is of higher resolution.
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Post #20by Alexell » 02.11.2016, 07:55

FarGetaNik, splash resolution is 674x491. So I gave you a sign in the right resolution

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But first of all I am interested in the icon. Does anyone make a nice icon?
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