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Animated virtual textures

Post #1by Toti » 21.01.2008, 22:09

As an experiment, I implemented animated virtual textures for Celestia (in fact, this also works with "common" textures).

Here's a short video in (.ogg, ~12 MB, ~1.5 min length) showing full seasonal coverage for the whole Earth.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/d89kep

Some possible uses:
*Depiction of seasonal surface changes
*Geological phenomena (e.g. Io)
*More realistic cloud dynamics (also, Jupiter)
*Historical evolution of planetary cartography (knowledge masks), night lights, etc.
*Dynamics in overlay images (e.g. variations is chlorophyll or ozone levels, etc.)

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Post #2by Cham » 21.01.2008, 22:18

Toti,

this is very nice ! I'm curious to know how you made this.

EDIT : Actually, this is absolutly extraordinary ! 8O I now see many possibilities with this ! Is there a chance it could be added to 1.5.0 ? Or is this for 1.5.1 ?? Can't wait to try out this feature.

How is the time frame working ? Is it cyclic (periodic) ? Or just defined between two dates ? We also need it to be periodic without boundaries.
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Post #3by cartrite » 21.01.2008, 22:31

Toti,
This is really cool!! :D . This done by code? Lua?
8O 8O
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Post #4by chris » 21.01.2008, 22:49

That looks very nice Toti. What does the ssc file look like?

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Post #5by Toti » 21.01.2008, 22:58

This is coded within Celestia's core (C++). Most of the work is done by OpenGL using hardware acceleration.
Here's how an animated texture is declared, just expanding the usual texture definition:

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Modify "Earth" "Sol"
{
    # An animated albedo map spanning one year,
    # showing Earth's surface changes across seasons:
    Texture {
              Interpolate true
              Cycle       true
              Beginning   2446482.0
              Frames      ["seasons/january.*"
                           "seasons/february.*"
                           "seasons/march.*"
                           "seasons/april.*"
                           "seasons/may.*"
                           "seasons/june.*"
                           "seasons/july.*"
                           "seasons/august.*"
                           "seasons/september.*"
                           "seasons/october.*"
                           "seasons/november.*"
                           "seasons/december.*"]
              Durations    [31 28 31 30 31 30 31 31 29 31 30 29]
    }
}


This is highly experimental for now. There is plenty of work yet to be done, so I don't have any release date estimate.

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Post #6by Cham » 21.01.2008, 23:02

Toti,

this work is extraordinary ! I love the way the SSC definitions are declared : they are simple and perfectly clear.

What else do you need to work on, before releasing that awesome code ? Looks like finished ! Optimisation ?
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Post #7by chris » 21.01.2008, 23:08

Cham wrote:Toti,

this work is extraordinary ! I love the way the SSC definitions are declared : they are simple and perfectly clear.

What else do you need to work on, before releasing that awesome code ? Looks like finished ! Optimisation ?


For one thing, I'm guessing that the interpolation doesn't work in the OpenGL 2.0 path yet. Second, there needs to be a discussion about the expression within an SSC file: should it work for any texture, do frames in an animation have to be of identical size, etc. This is a great feature, but not one for 1.5.0.

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Post #8by Cham » 21.01.2008, 23:15

1- Is this technique working under any rendering path ?

2- Is it working on an asteroid or comet model too ?

3- Apparently, from the SSC example, it is periodic without any time boundary ?

4- Can it be applied on a billboard too ? (I guess not).
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Post #9by ajtribick » 21.01.2008, 23:40

Oh, the possibilities of interesting add-ons based on eccentric planets... would be good to be able to even approximate something like these.

One concern I see with the format is that the durations should perhaps either be fractions of the orbital period, or in the same units as orbital period, but messingn around with that is presumably a low priority right now...

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Post #10by MKruer » 22.01.2008, 06:49

Awesome. I would love to see Jupiter done like this.

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Post #11by tech2000 » 22.01.2008, 07:58

Very cool, melike it alot...

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Post #12by Toti » 22.01.2008, 16:26

chris wrote:This is a great feature, but not one for 1.5.0.

I agree.

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Post #13by ElChristou » 23.01.2008, 08:12

Excellent!!
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Post #14by buggs_moran » 23.01.2008, 11:30

Fantastic. An old wish potentially realized http://celestiaproject.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8712

I see the word "cycle" in there Toti! I could realize the gas stream in my binary systems with this. Can't wait to play.
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Post #15by bdm » 23.01.2008, 23:12

The cycle length needs a clearer method of being defined. At present, the cycle length is not defined directly, but must instead be found by adding up all the numbers. Also, the frame definition is separated from the duration of each frame. Both of these make maintenance more difficult. If the length of the cycle has to be changed, the user must modify the values separately, check them with a calculator, etc. This is time-consuming and error-prone.

I would suggest that the definition be as follows:

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Texture
{
              Interpolate true
              Cycle       true
              Beginning   2446482.0
              Duration     365.24219
              Frames      ["seasons/january.*" 1
                           "seasons/february.*" 1
                           "seasons/march.*" 1
                           "seasons/april.*" 1
                           "seasons/may.*" 1
                           "seasons/june.*" 1
                           "seasons/july.*" 1
                           "seasons/august.*" 1
                           "seasons/september.*" 1
                           "seasons/october.*" 1
                           "seasons/november.*" 1
                           "seasons/december.*" 1]
    }

Here, the length of each frame is encoded with the frame filename, and the length is given as a proportion of the whole. The cycle length is defined separately which makes it easier to see and to modify the length of a cycle as a whole.

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Post #16by chris » 23.01.2008, 23:21

ajtribick wrote:Oh, the possibilities of interesting add-ons based on eccentric planets... would be good to be able to even approximate something like these.

One concern I see with the format is that the durations should perhaps either be fractions of the orbital period, or in the same units as orbital period, but messingn around with that is presumably a low priority right now...


This would be great. When I saw this post, the exoplanet atmosphere simulations from oklo.org were my first thought too.

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Re: Animated virtual textures

Post #17by happywoman50 » 01.08.2008, 11:00

by Toti
Here's a short video in (.ogg, ~12 MB, ~1.5 min length) showing full seasonal coverage for the whole Earth.

www sendspace.com/file/d89kep.

This link doesn’t work. I receive the following message “Sorry, the file you requested is not available.”
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Re: Animated virtual textures

Post #18by Hungry4info » 01.08.2008, 15:04

happywoman50 wrote:This link doesn’t work. I receive the following message “Sorry, the file you requested is not available.”

I get the same thing o_O
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Re: Animated virtual textures

Post #19by conj » 29.08.2008, 18:07

same. i want to see the animation... :(
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Re: Animated virtual textures

Post #20by cartrite » 05.12.2008, 11:52

This may be premature but I found this to be interesting for possible 1.7 developement. I also posted these links at CM but the thread never got a reply.
I've been using some software called hdflook to process MODIS images. I've been in contact with the authors of this software and Louis Gonzalez expressed some interest in collaborating with Celestia in doing some possible animations. They have data in 8 day intervals from 2006 that is very similar to the BMNG series.
http://loafds.univ-lille1.fr/cgi-bin/Fo ... i?langue=1
Here is an animation he did from South America showing some land being cleared.
http://loaamma.univ-lille1.fr/Movies/LOUIS/Fh12v11.html
If this data can be made available in full global data sets, it would make for much smoother animation than the monthly BMNG texture data. It is in 8 day intervals instead of 30 day.
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